Reimbursement Proposal [Horizon Incident]

Here’s a better proposal :

  • Eject Stephen Tse from the Harmony foundation instead of letting the project intentionally die. The remaining team members must huddle around again to get the chain back on it’s feet. If there is a clause in the foundation’s charter, then a vote of no confidence must be put into effect.

  • The news of some team members possibly looking for other jobs is appearing to be certain with this announcement.

A new project CEO’s involvement & restructuring of the team with a new business plan should be a decent enough carrot to attract new round of investors.

Stephen’s conduct throughout this ordeal has been unprofessional in terms of community interaction, business mandates for the Core team & this proposal does not elaborate at all on details of the bridge hack incident at all (i.e. alleged act of theft).

Even if we discount founder ejection, here’s why it’s a bad idea (in all quadrants of strategic thinking):

  • The sell pressure on ONE would force running validator nodes become unsustainable, & this move is literally an attempt to hold validators hostage, with little to no recourse. Operating at a “continued loss” would cause many of them to shut their nodes down.

  • Not only does this move hold network on-chain stakers hostage, It hurts bridge investors as well, without offering them any sufficient recourse option.

  • This proposal will dissuade any of the remaining ecosystem partners to stay on the chain, or new ones to come forward & work with the chain.

  • Let’s not forget the rippling effect of PR firestorm this action will cause within the crypto community as a whole, and attract undeserving attention.

  • The option of no recourse in the absence of a validator consensus is a betrayal of social trust (i.e. this is me saying this, without holding any ounce of bridged assets atm)

It’s a matter of absolute incompetence & unbridled shame that this is what is getting presented to the community after weeks of brainstorming.

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Feedback:

  1. These proposals are universally being panned by your community. You need to listen and pivot immediately. Inflating the token is going to crush the chain as everyone who has stayed with you ,accumulating ONE, will get crushed by either proposal
  2. There is an immediate need to have open and transparent conversations with your community. Grab the leaders of the top 10 projects and have a round table to discuss the current state and how these proposals will help. I promise you will get honest feedback and suggestions
  3. We need a full debrief on the hack with everything disclosed, including the 2/4 multi sig requirement. It won’t be pleasant but lets get it out in the open so we can move forward.
  4. Need immediate plans for a native stable coin. If we can’t re-peg, we need a base to rebuild with
  5. There needs to be plans to bring in a strategic consultant to help advise the company to navigate these waters as the blockchain grows. This is so critical to restore faith and also give the leadership team much needed help
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2Bn ~ 4Bn more supply is kinda too much !!
and 3 years vesting … ?
these poor souls did nothing wrong ! they just want their money back !
maybe this would work out for harmony team but the average Joe is just fucked and double triple fucked ! 3 years to get back his money ?
and this assuming the price of $ONE would steady at $0.02 ? what if after 3 years $ONE price is $0.000002 and these users got their 50 000 One tokens ?? so my $1mn investment would be worth $10 after 3 years ?? like a slow death ??
sure maybe $ONE token pumps from here but after all this as investors we expect a crazy amount of selling pressure , everyone just wants to break even and GTFO of this pickle !!
plus supply inflation does not give great future aspect regarding tokenomics !
anyway … it is a gamble … it is a big gamble !
especially the community is so angry and pessimistic , other partners like Aave and so on might revoke their partnership and this will thus result in hesitation of new future partners …
without partners , without community , without investors , an inflated supply , a repeg problem all over the crypto market … there is simply no growth , no growth only way to go is down , why ?? because team will have to sell if they are smart !
maaan such a mess … all this from a simple bridge hack !! a simple bridge hack fucked the whole harmony eco system this much !!! this shows how the team were focusing on how good they look and not how well they code ! as a programmer u need to have protocols set in place to protect users security and funds etc … u just needed to be ready ! it is still harmony team’s fault !
yet again … the average Joe is the one that pays in blood ! why ? because that’s how it has been and that’s how it ill always be ! i have supported Harmony since the beginning but like other smart people stated in other comments … giving a vote on 2 pre-determined options that are both dooms-day like is not really voting ! it is dooming ! and then the threat about no repeg no repay no nada ! dictatorship a bit nuh ???
anyway …
the true meaning of a miracle is seeing $one = $0.07 ever again !

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You should burn the current $ONE tokens, not supply more!!!

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i agree with your chain of thoughts but when it comes to kicking out Stephen good luck with that !
i too have created some projects in the past , as a founder and core team programmer u grow to love and care for your project like it was your own baby !
asking Stephen to step out is like asking a father to hand over his baby to a stranger and walk away …

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This is not a good path to go down if you want to attract people to ONE.
I’m conservative. I buy and hold.
Now the value of my ONE will be diluted because everyone, except me, has made bad decisions or was negligent.
This is not a good precedent to set.
Those who lost money (I’m sorry) took on the risks of messing with defi.
That risk should be worn fully by them and not spread to holders like me.
I feel like there’s a few whales who are throwing their weight around and little guys like me lose out.

The reimbursement should not be done in this inflationary manner.

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in such market condition , let’s say you are the VC and you have $500 mil , would you actually put 1/5 th of your networth into sthg like this ?? would you ?? i would not …
why ?? it is too risky and why bother with harmony where the whole market is down , i can diversify into other solid projects like Fantom , Solana , Atom , Matic etc… i can double , triple my money , maybe 10 X less risk compared to 3 years vesting and so on … on a chain that might go to Zero !!
nuhh…

Well, our “project Daddy” has strangled one of the kids, and is now hell bent on throwing the other twin out the window along with the bathwater. Mate, there is so much about this project you don’t know.

Not only that, he is continuing to do so & putting the health of the project into risk to sell NFT’s starting Q3. Good luck with that, but I’m OUT.

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there is no plan for a repeg in this proposal

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Harmony’s proposal to “save” the blockchain is to…KILL the blockchain?

Am I reading this correctly? Shirley you can’t be serious.

I want to have Harmony core members on here to discuss and defend this proposal. @lij @Givp @rongjian @ganesha @dpagan-harmony @sahil @Jacksteroo @Sam @papi @leo

Repegging

Affected assets are currently depegged due to DEX arbitrage trading. Harmony has sought out options to bring these assets back to a pegged status. However, we have identified that repegging is not a feasible strategy due to market and treasury conditions.

The team is working on plans to reinstate DeFi on Harmony despite these limitations, and we aim to publish more information on our DeFi strategy in the coming weeks.

Do you actually think there will be a future “defi” on Harmony if you refuse to re-peg the current defi stables/bridged assets? How can any future users have any faith in Harmony to back their assets in the event of another crisis? A crisis that was possibly the fault of Harmony’s (lax?) security measures.

There would be ZERO trust in Harmony in the future if you force this through (there’s already next-to-zero trust).

You said you were discussing options with your defi partners. Your defi partners agreed to this? They thought this was a good idea; the best idea available? It will be a really terrible look for Harmony if/when some of the defi platforms speak out in opposition to this proposal.

I know you - the core Harmony team - realize this is a poor proposal. You are all smart enough to know this is not going to solve anything and that Harmony will be a dead blockchain.

No re-peg = No Harmony.

Option #1

The first option proposed is an estimated 100% reimbursement with a minting of 4.97B ONE, which equates to a 3-year monthly emission of 138M tokens ($2.76M using the token price of $0.020). Minted tokens will be gradually brought into circulation over the 3-year period.

Option #2

The second option proposed is an estimated 50% reimbursement with a minting of 2.48B ONE, which equates to a 3-year monthly emission of 69M ONE tokens ($1.38M using the token price of $0.020). Minted tokens will be gradually brought into circulation over the 3-year period.

The community was lead to believe there would be multiple proposals to discuss and eventually vote on. However, this is one proposal

Members of the community have been discussing how to REDUCE the total supply of ONE. Many believe ONE is already too inflationary.

Now you want to increase total supply by upwards of 40%?

How is that sustainable? How does that not devalue the assets of all of Harmony’s current investors and ONE holders?

Explain yourselves.

6. What is the strategy if validators don’t agree?

  • Given that the validators are aligned with Harmony chain’s growth, we hope they will be easily persuaded that reimbursing the losses will reinstate the trust that is key to Harmony’s success. We encourage communicating with your validator (if applicable) to ensure their decision is made with your thoughts in mind.

In the event of failure to obtain required validator participation, we will resort to “no reimbursement”.

You’re actually threatening to not reimburse anyone at all, on top of refusing to re-peg the bridged assets?

Have you no shame?

You’ve literally lost people tens of millions of dollars. You’ve driven countless users, holders and dApps from your blockchain. But you still have the impudence to treat your community like this?

Also, you - the Harmony team - know governance voting has been impossible since February (as documented in this post). I fear you added this clause knowing full well that: 1) It would not receive community or validator support, 2) It would be impossible to pass given that governance voting isn’t functioning.

This would guarantee you wouldn’t have to reimburse anyone.

Is this entire proposal a disingenuous spectacle?

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“In the event of failure to obtain required validator participation, we will resort to “no reimbursement”.”

What is this, a threat? If the validators don’t agree with making the community pay for the core team’s mistake, then that’s it, there is no solution. How arrogant and out of touch do you’d have to be to think threats like this will convince everyone to dilute their own bags. This is just ridiculous.

I don’t know what the solution is but I absolutely know what happens when tokens unlock.

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I would’ve also tagged @stse but he doesn’t actually engage with the community. He hasn’t even been on the Talk forum since last November.

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For reference, new supply schedule would look like this…

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How about this:

  • sell all apes
  • consolidate treasury
  • repeg ALL assets
  • rebuild trust and bridge
  • move forward stronger

Will require sacrifice on part of the core team, but is it really sacrifice if the problem came from your negligence anyways?

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Pretty shocked we waited this long for these options.

There has to be another way. I am not supportive of either of these solutions and…

In the event of failure to obtain required validator participation, we will resort to “no reimbursement”

This is unacceptable. No transparency leading up to this. “Radical transparency” huh? Pretty sad to see the team resorting to this after all the work the community put into this chain. This project is nothing without the community and this proposal is slap in the face to the community.

Please be real. There are other solutions.

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Have you heard of the Judgment of Solomon?

If the baby is going to be split in half, the sane, logical, loving, responsible parent offers to give the baby up in order to spare its life. The other “parent” does not make that concession.

Which one is Tse?

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Speaking to some of the Harmony core team, I was informed this proposal was decided by Stephen and Li only. All other proposals were rejected.

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I think scrap both ideas, repeg a new token and move on. NO ONE gets compensated. It is what it is.

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new token will be Harmony TWO, lol

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