HIP32 - Complete Decentralization of Validator Network

Governance Validator DAO
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Hi Soph. Did you manage to acquire a list of validators with multiple servers / key?

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Yes we do. I will make an announcement today/tomorrow with the list of validator with backup node which we are going to request to remove from the network.

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Perfect, thank you team :ok_hand:t2:

I will obviously be on that list but Iā€™m ready to go whenever needed :+1:

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Hello everyone,

Below is a list of validators with a backup nodes:

Name Address
RoboValidator_minimum fees one1x8fhymx4xsygy4dju9ea9vhs3vqg0u3ht0nz74
Moto Trust - Always Lowest Comission one1c4w9danpa5v9zqurnl07lkqdcwyn3yfm86anqu
JungleCity one13jewk8w7jah3r9jfahh8rlzpr5r6valascd0mn
:herb: Mintbes one12jell2lqaesqcye4qdp9cx8tzks4pega465r3k
HarmonyHUB one1leh5rmuclw5u68gw07d86kqxjd69zuny3h23c3
babylonodeONE one14xkvsj8gnwl2tnu9wahfru35x8ppveaqdx5cnf
Smart Stake - harmony.smartstake.io & HarmonyAnalyticsBot one1qk7mp94ydftmq4ag8xn6y80876vc28q7s9kpp7
Solitaire one1r3kwetfy3ekfah75qaedwlc72npqm2gkayn6ue
SoftNode one16knqzazp2kxra3zx4sw32capqt3esg55wjg7ff
:globe_with_meridians: KysenPool Dragon :dragon: one1ctwewx0pmg8k0tc8vnx4guyq9jm7dwz5k98tlm
Chickens Validator Original Testnet Dev :chicken: one18ky073zdrrmme3fs7h63wyzguuj6a3uukuc3gk
Validator.ONE Top Trusted Validator Low Minimum Fee one14l4lst4qnm9fecv38450upfjym00s4ejz9mgdc
BBIT one1wrvlznh27fywscexnc2l9fxk5gjelcqdnw8pvw
InfStones one1l0wwv67lfelxhjvu6dkm9t8j5gsxev44lm6s02
GGA one1t3tex27l80cs4eltq5t7wymcxwwct6xxuyf7w4
Guarda Wallet one1qfpt5y3kuw8dnsd2d4lgjjzf849mfdzaxzum88
Fortune ā€“ Highest Delegator Count Min Fee 34m Rewards Auto Shard one1v0n7nw6c4fe88xnuasr0d65luult0fvclvvxmf
TokenNuggets one1j34kvpa66hzqmf4ywa2cyhwn4se2a03lvhxv4n
ONE4All - Community Validator :white_check_mark: one13hr88u4zjrx2rf9gkdchawppdnsrctunlxug56
DK Validator - Secure Independent Staking :closed_lock_with_key::white_check_mark: one1w7nvheulzwprf9d9a3r8sqtv5q47qlqx7kured
Staking Club one1xthdv58tg7fc2qv7ltu6399hnvwtvcld9krzrx
Tec Viva one18qk5uszfjq5wrkm2gfstqpx56jdpn0xd4563tk
:wrench:Hank The Crankā€‹:gear: one139wxucm2rl0aag8ej24r2rh0qk86dylvszxg5u
AzureONE one14v636te9jxp4d9f2c5uwa9hvqmmmut4fdtpxw5
ONECelestial Validator one1twcvkx63304dplxcmx0j9jm32u6er3k0hxuf7z
PeaceLoveHarmony.ONE one1mlkylwnsgsam8cdxzn05hal3ytjngsunlpmp2j
TillyONE one102lcjqy44ett8wu07dxdtce6gm988j0eu3z6cy
Legion - the ONE who is many High Self Stake Highest Uptime one1r2lx24n0fpfch7cqyhccekqfd6dk79f0wqw7p4
OneBullValidator one1zcw3fua99t9te03mu6f5nne80p3rapfsxf2ur8
Affinity Shard Top Trusted Community Validator one1pzgc08u8xxj92srcgqutjkt6mmt6j8278zfpsk
Husaria ONE Validator one1xrtkrcpx7edw40zxpp26up939gc68u8hwepvnx
Infinity Tech one1slf58d4kaus4h9st228dxagqcv5afluwzuj0nd
Kiln one149j0j8jx4mrjzzlnh299hmrd3rzr8ptyhksht9

Let me know if you have any questions

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The only ones I havnā€™t seen contacts for on either: vstats, discord etc are:

  1. Kiln
  2. Infinity Tech
  3. Guarda Wallet
  4. InfStones
  5. SoftNode
  6. Solitaire
  7. Moto Trust

Does the team have contacts with any of these?

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Iā€™d love to know more about justification behind blacklist, and yeah, I remember HIP17 voted it down. Itā€™s antithetical to decentralized, permissionless blockchain.

Also, yes, we have active backup node now. Knowing if the IsBackup flag is working would be helpful. And, weā€™ve not seen a definitive ā€œdonā€™t do that messageā€. Maybe we missed, but it seems to be ā€œat some point you wonā€™t be able to do thatā€.

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Guarda, infstone, I have. For the other i believe at one point, we could talk to them in discord / telegram

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Hey, when we hit the pending delegation bug, we voted as a team whether we wanted to use that feature or not. We voted to use it thinking about how we could have prevented more damage if we actually used it during the hack. We and I completely forgot about HIP17. Going forward, and with leader rotation, considering HIP17, we can simply say that it will be practically impossible to use that feature.

Itā€™s in our TO DOs

Yes, please donā€™t run backup node, itā€™s been a while it is in our doc : Requirements - Harmony but with leader rotation coming soon, we need to make sure we donā€™t have any.

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It could be a good idea to have a publicly available plan for the event of double signing and a fork in the chain. Eg exactly what a validator(s) must do to rectify. @sophoah

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All set to go now, I dropped the backup a few days agošŸ‘

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Hey, let me try to draft an explanation here, and then we can decide if itā€™s clear enough to share publicly.

Essentially, a network fork occurs when validators on the network are out of sync and canā€™t agree on the latest leader proposal. This situation might arise when two leaders are active simultaneously, leading to a disagreement on block height and hash.

In this scenario, more than 33.33% of the validator network might have block X with one hash, while the rest have a different one.

To resolve this, the minority of validators can revert their block and sync to the correct one. Alternatively, all validators can revert block X and redo the consensus round

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Thank you for the explanation. I more meant a step by step guide, a plan of action or flow chart. Something that when the network is stuck or a validator stuck, that we can follow to fix promptly ( with commands to run ).

Or do you think itā€™s more something that we alert the harmony team and a plan is created at that point?

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@sophoah Solitaire backup node will be taken down. Youā€™ll also get contact details for solitaire on discord.

Is there a way to run a second node without signing, so that if the main node fails, the backup node can be manually enabled to be signing, with a current block DB? Would just removing all BLS keys do the trick, or confuse the backup validator node even more?
isBackup does sound like a great answer to this question.

Resolved this by using a dummy BLS key, as David proposed.

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One example of a network outage is what happened 2 years back : Discord with the doc : Revert Beacon Chain Blocks - Google Docs

we did the analysis before and came up with the solution.

Iā€™ll try to come up with a flow chart or a list of things to do/check (without the how in detail first then we can look at the how later on)

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Hello everyone,

Adding here for transparency and open communication what was shared in the validator telegram group : Telegram

My impression from the reaction from validator so far was that there is no concern for us to proceed with the 1% and Iā€™d like to suggest a 2 internal slots per shard for this. (ie we will run 2 node with 1 bls key each to support the DNS node function)

Let me know if there are any concern

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I putting here a poll as well to understand if the community is ok with the 1% harmony internal voting power with 2 slots.

I would still go with a HIP32 proposal that contains a full externalization, but the 0% would be achieve with two different HF:

  1. HF for leader rotation with internal node with 1% voting power and 2 slots per shard
  2. later on (once streamsync is operational) HF to remove the 1% and 2 slot per shard

Let me know what you think

  • Yes, letā€™s go with 1% and 2 slot per shard first, then 0% later
  • No, letā€™s go directly with 0%
0 voters

thank you everyone

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Going straight to decentralization is my vote. Itā€™s time for every validator to be equal and follow the same steps as anyone else.

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I think the community should take over this role. Complete decentralization is needed. There are plenty of community members that could take on this function and, in return, will be a more desirable staking option.

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Can you give any more information about what is actually required to run this role from a validator ? Pros, cons, benefits ?

Are we talking weeks, months until stream sync is available ?

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HIP32 snapshot has been posted : Snapshot

Vote starts 5th March 14PM UTC and will end in two weeks 19th March 14PM UTC.

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