I lurk here all the time, found CLNY and Oneverse (proud owner of a few puffs xD) through this forum but HLY is the first project I’ve wanted to put in the work and support. The community has been dragged through the mud and I was even participating in shitting on the project at the start, but it has potential and the dev has been as transparent as you can be without a dox. They even have a FUD channel in Discord that made me chuckle but it shows the work being put in to solidify HLY’s place in the Harmony community.
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Under promising and over delivering is a perfect way to describe the updates we’ve been getting.
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Completely against this project. Here’s a list of reasons why.
There’s basically two sets of claims against HLY:
1st:
-Suspicions raised that it’s the same dev as PHAT due to many similarities in he project, logo etc.
-Confirmed on chain via wallet funding both projects
-Grail Harder tries to say he was funded by a random person in discord and posts a screenshot of a dm. It’s completely trivial to edit such a thing, so take that as you will.
2nd
-Dev claims he’s not making money off of the project and doesn’t have any funds.
-On chain evidence finds a wallet with 69m HLY and more evidence of HLY being dumped for JEWEL
-Grail Harder owns up to this and admits in discord he lied about this before
-Member of the Mod team gets him to move 60m HLY from the 69m to the multisig
Those are the two parts that confirm that it’s a project run by a former scammer, and that the former scammer did actually scam again in this case, as he admitted to lying and hiding the funds and dumping for JEWEL.
Edit: This post is not spam, it’s information the Harmony team needs to see.
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Fair points. these were important to me as well.
To be clear, some of the “resolutions” to the concerns you listed are not in line with responses from the team.
While I share your vigilance, at the moment, it seems to me like the concerns were addressed.
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1st Was addressed, old FUD, you can refer to the Discord at HolyGrail.One
2nd Was also addressed, old FUD, you can also refer to the Discord
The Holy Grail community is growing and stronger than ever. Many updates have been made to the game and project since the launch ~16 days ago.
Fuud is even a new boss in the game, try it out for yourself at https://test.holygrail.one
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I consider the dev admitting to lying about the funds he had in reserve and only admitting it after people went digging through wallets, to be a pretty big concern.
Edit: This post is not spam, it’s information the Harmony team needs to see.
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It definitely started like that in the beginning till things started being uncovered regarding grail’s background and how it was funded, his hidden wallet that held 69Mil HLY (sure his reasoning on withholding it at the time was due to high fud posts so from an investment standpoint that would have been the best move to make) if he had announced he had a wallet during all the fud , everyone and i mean everyone would have pulled their money out. During the time the price reached to .004 he could have easily dumped his entire holding and dipped on everyone. There are many times he could have dipped and scammed us out our money yet he’s still here developing a game.
We grail because nobody believes in our dev and our project. We are here to dispel the easy fud attacks on harmony and to survive. We’re here to play a game and support each other. And we are here because some of may believe the coin to be undervalued compared to the dev and team’s abilities and delivery
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I don’t consider that reasoning to be an excuse at all. Best case, it’s extremely suspect and unprofessional. “If I announced I had hidden funds at this time, people would have sold.” Do you really think that sounds good at all? The fact of the matter is that ignoring every other concern, the biggest one is this fact that he started off saying he had no stake in it, when in fact he did.
Saying that because he could have run away with the money but didn’t, doesn’t hold up, because if you’ve been in this space for any length of time you know how many projects spend months building themselves up, only to cash out at the top. I just sincerely hope the Harmony team doesn’t give a chunk of money to someone like this, that isn’t willing to reveal themselves to the community, and isn’t even honest about how much they own until found out by other people…
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I obtained the digging that others have done into the connection between PHAT and HLY. PHAT, as everyone knows, being a project that was a confirmed scam.
11/16/2021: Wallet [mdvq] funds [PHAT Dev] with 1400 ONE (TX 1)
12/21/2021: Wallet [mdvq] sends funds to [jj00] (TX 2)
01/14/2022: Wallet [jj00] sends funds to [12vm] (TX 3)
01/14/2022: Wallet [12vm] sends funds to [prs2] (TX 4)
01/23/2022: Wallet [prs2] funds [HLY Dev] with 856 ONE (TX 5)
mdvq: one1mdvq9a2hnwtmaqaafzk26fc3slmczv2gl2anf7
PHAT Dev: one1ej2xy84tyd93u2wq8qlunqxr5h3t4hwy8d8exu
jj00: one1jj00nlakmpzthek9qhzsqh6x7t7w0vq6dz7vkq
12vm: one12vmveqslt2duap46t0ca479nyqundp25udkeq8
prs2: one1prs2aw3zlnzcuge89ydqsdas8qfmns0x6puz5z
HLY Dev: one1hsflhxx5sch26j40y7kpcqs0k7y2rhfdrm5akf
TX 1: 0xb3ecef706d2fe176044352c38e66a654def0d5c121e78c3aff1e43dc301e8879
TX 2: 0x8d20fbc13e8485e90e0b4bd1e38399f12f4d0214dee0acd116bad0fbb7adae6b
TX 3: 0x2e144d65b119fc6a6e6e57ef88aeae4193a343e17775f3690fe4d72930e0321a
TX 4: 0x73c21afa809547f7a0bc3858f86f22279cfdcb60f7d05e7059e93fe6d9019f79
TX 5: 0xf10236b08c84ddae73a6ee99ecafb4939e239a41f06be4ea8ce60a98ea223cdb
PHAT Contract: one1hn6n9pc5zk7xu0g504mhc6knu689pnvjh5q3yr
HLY Contract: one134mqf964fmkv8wgrd7crvs2kauhs6q4ulqdlsx
The absolute best case here is that one of the members involved in the PHAT scam, funded this one. With the worst case being that the HLY dev and the PHAT dev are one and the same. The good thing about the blockchain is that all transactions can be traced like this. The important thing to note is that m1dvq eventually ends up funding the HLY dev, but they tried to obfuscate it. That’s why it’s the 5th relevant transaction…
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Personally, I think admitting to it and then sending it to the Treasury was the right and honorable thing to do. It also had unintentionally proved I could have rugged and dumped out $300,000 USD, which is also honorable imo and proves a lot to speak against the FUD.
As a project developer I am entitled to have my own funds in the project, as anyone else is. I had lied to protect the market and project, due to the FUD and spam our community was receiving at the time. Once things started to cool down, I had stated I moved the HLY to the Treasury, which I also did not have to do; but I did it to eliminate security and fund concerns within the community. This is also extremely old news at this point, and has been addressed in our Discord and on Twitter as well. The community has commended me for doing so and we have been rebuilding trust ever since.
The FUD about PHAT / Freya / Sarah has also been debunked in the Discord at HolyGrail.One
This project has no affiliation at all with any person or project that has existed on the Harmony blockchain.
I encourage you to drop by and check out our #fud channel where we have taken the time to discuss these claims with the community.
I would appreciate it if you can keep this thread related to the Grant topic and free of FUD that has already been answered. Thanks.
I hope we’ll see you in there!
Grail Harder 
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I don’t know how this screenshot is meant to debunk anything that has been posted, it’s something that can easily be faked with inspect element on Chrome or even Photoshop.
I agree with Neb_P the Harmony team should look into this developer/project much more thoroughly before considering it for any grants.
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I follow a lot of the newer projects on Harmony and the grant applications but have never really felt the need to chime in.
I don’t think it’s in the best interest of Harmony to publicly support or associate itself in anyway with projects that have such glaring issues.
There’s nothing wrong with people within their own communities supporting a project they believe in, but after all that has happened I would be very concerned if Harmony itself gave any kind of official support to HolyGrail.
The association with PartyHat is especially concerning when so many Harmonauts lost substantial amounts of ONE in that rugpull. And the issue of the hidden dev wallet also really paints the type of picture I wouldn’t want to be associated with as a ONE holder.
It seems that the HolyGrail community itself is comfortable with these issues - and that’s fine. But Harmony grants should have a high standard. The HolyGrail community can fund their project and overcome the darkness surrounding it, and I respect their right to do so on an open blockchain. But the risk of linking Harmony itself in an official manner to this is not one I think should be taken.
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After all the FuD … I don’t know but it lit a fire under this devolpers butt. He has been working his butt off and working hard and the community is a great one 2nd only to Harmony Whales imo .
He has been honest from what I have seen he answers everything and just about anyone who asks.I think you guys (Harmony)should give him a chance and at least hear him out .
I do think under no circumstances should he not be doxed . He has to be.
I think you should have a devolper take a look at his work and talk with him about it because what might seem like something great to me idk what it might seem like to them … They should have a open mind and not be someone who wants this project to fail that would not be fair … must be impartial…but if Harmony just turns this down because they don’t want to take any risk .I mean what are we doing here … All this is risky. Thats why its a step by step proposal process
The devolper has a community under him and that community believes in him . It would be a shame if you guys took the stance of guilty till proven innocent.
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But isn’t what we’re doing here is accepting that he’s guilty(see the above evidence) and the community is choosing to believe in him and give him a chance to make it right? I think that’s fine and I hope it works out for them. But it’s beyond just risky for Harmony itself to take that kind of attitude when it comes to something like official grants.
Why not explore alternative types of grants like the community unlocking OPs tokens for him as a show of support? Checking the price now it would seem 60,000,000 is a substantial amount and I think it would be a show of good faith on behalf of the community to do that to fund development of the project rather than put Harmony itself in this uncomfortable situation. This way everyone wins.
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Damn this game is amazing.
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“Honest”? The dev literally admitted he lied about his $hly holdings
The dev, in this thread:
I had lied
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but grail said he’s willing to be doxxed to harmony team is that not enough?
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Considering that he has already admitted himself that he lied about holding 60M HLY above, no I don’t think it is enough to be honest with you. Like some other posters here have said - I don’t think anyone has any issues with the HolyGrail community doing their own thing(more power to you guys!), some people just don’t like the idea of the project being associated with Harmony in any official capacity due to the numerous red flags.
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Few months ago harmony announced they ar welcoming devs to come and develop projects in harmony with a grant. Now that dev came and built in harmony giving requirements and willing to be doxed to harmony team. what else needed?
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I m not sure what you mean about guilty… lying about the funds he holds? I dont know why he did that but he was being attacked left and right and under alot of pressure when that happens usually mistakes are made …I was just talking about the Phat connection or the freya connection in particular
Those can not be tolerated… I dont think he is either of them … I have no proof but that should be somewhat fixed when he is doxed …
I do think you have a great alternative… If he does get turned down … I am pretty sure of the outcome … already
I did hear someone say it with certainty… but they could change their mind .
Yes …I do see why it would look bad for harmony after all the information that may or may not be true .I also think it would be good for harmony to have this project on their blockchain… most things arent all good or bad they are like people complicated with a little of both
I think this project if made will be alot more good than bad and that needs to be weighted in their decision .
. the game is fun and its actually a very smart project …
Very good and simple conceptually and thats great because when stuff gets too complicated … it steals from other aspects .
. I am very biased I know that but if i wasnt invested i would not know all he has done . So it is a give and take also.
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